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PET TALK TODAY Dog Training with Will Bangura. #73. This week I take Listener Calls and Questions on various dog training and behavior issues, Dog Training, Dog Trainer, Dog Behaviorist. Cat Trainer, Cat Training, Pet Trainer, Pet Training, Will Bangura Dog Behaviorist, Dog Behaviorist
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Raised by wolfs with canine DNA in his blood, having trained more than 24,000 vets helping you and your fur babies thrive live in studio it's pet talk today with will. Bangoura answering your pet behavior and training questions. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome your host and favorite pet behavior expert will. Manura
Speaker 2:Good. Saturday morning, everybody I'm will Bandura and
Speaker 3:I'm Jordan Mar
Speaker 2:Stower and you're listening and watching live pet talk today. We took a little bit of a hiatus there. Yeah, just a little bit for a couple weeks. We normally don't take time off, but, uh, man, I'm glad we did. I feel all kinds of refreshed. Um, we're excited to be here today. We're gonna pretty much do questions and answers for the entire hour. Hey, if you are brand new to pet talk today, uh, let me talk a little bit about what we do typically we're here each and every Saturday morning from nine to 10:00 AM Pacific time. Um, what is that? I think that's 12 to one Eastern time. That's right. Um, and that would be what, 11 to 12 central absolutely mountain time. It's nine to 10. That's same as Pacific time. We're here on Facebook. Live on the pet talk today page, please tell your friends about it because not everybody can afford professional in home training, which is what we do at my company. Phoenix dog training. Yeah. We specialize in some of the most difficult behavior problems, a lot of, um, aggression fears, anxieties, phobias. Um, We do this show so that you can put your questions, your pet behavior questions in the comments section. And in a little bit, we're gonna give out our number because we wanna take your calls also. And let me tell you those people that call into the show, wanting help with the behavior problem. They're gonna take priority over anybody. That's typing something in the comment section, but do us a favor. Everybody smash that like button for us. Okay. And also do us a favor, hit the share button, share this to your Facebook page so that more people can benefit from what we do here at pet talk today. Um, as I mentioned, um, we specialize in the most difficult behavior problems, anxiety, fears, phobia's aggression, but we also help people with your everyday nuisance behaviors, whether it be jumping barking, begging, uh, stealing items, potty, training's always a big one, right? Um, leash manners, things of, of that nature. Um, so if you've got a question about your pet's behavior, you can call in, we're good about that number in a second, or you can type your questions in the comment section, but do us a favor in that comment section, let us know where you're watching from, what city, what state are you in or what country are you in? Let us know where you're watching and what kind of pets that you have. And again, smash that like button for us and share this, that more people can benefit from that. Well, Jordan, I've had, um, a busy few weeks.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So by since the last show, I think I've gotten my, uh, certified, um, uh, uh, CPR and um, first aid. I got that. Um, let's see if we can get you in here. We're having problems texting. There we go. Are we on now's you got both of us sitting there.
Speaker 4:Let's see. Oh, I see my, there we go.
Speaker 2:Now we're both here trying to get the camera, you know, you take a couple weeks off and all of a sudden you forget all the technical things that, that you need to have. Yeah. But it's been a busy couple weeks. I got my certification in pet CPR and first aid. Um, did my certification for a fear free. Yep.
Speaker 4:That's right. That's
Speaker 2:Right. Trainer for free practitioner joined the, uh, professional, uh, pet Guild.
Speaker 4:There
Speaker 2:We go. Okay. Um, so just trying to do more networking with everybody. Yeah. Everybody next week. I know we took just took two weeks off. We're not gonna have a show next week, Jordan, myself. We're gonna be in a black mountain, North Carolina, looking forward to the cool weather, but we're gonna be attending an aggression conference. Yeah. Okay. Um, a lot of that's gonna be dealing with behavioral medicine.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It's and you know, it's, it's something that we've talked about a lot on this show is behavioral medication, but there's always more to learn. Always,
Speaker 2:Always more to learn. Um, and um, we might talk a little bit more about that. Um, a little bit later in the show, but, um, again, smash that like button for us comment where you're watching from what kind of pets you have. If you've got a question about your pet's training and behavior issues, go ahead and type that in the comment section. Jordan, do you wanna go ahead and give out the number? Absolutely. So if you wanna call Jordan, please.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. That number is 6 0 2 5 2 5 6 8 8 0. Again, that is 6 0 2 5 2 5 6 8 8 0. And that's also gonna be in the comments.
Speaker 2:Okay. So we're gonna post that in the comments again. Um, phone calls are gonna take priority if you'd like to get some help with your pet's training and behavior issues. The number to call is(602) 525-6880 again, 6 0 2 5 2 5 6 8 8 0. And look at that and we've got a call.
Speaker 4:Hello. Thanks for calling pet talk today. What's your question location.
Speaker 5:Um, I do. I and, um, loves him. We all love him very much, but she wants coddle him all day and not do what's needed to properly train him. I've had chart before and never had issue training. Cause I've to take control. Wanted him in a now where he will, he, he goes outside he's bathroom, the, the house. Um, he beg a lot point because I don't know what to do. Yeah. Now to correct these issues.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you this, this, this is will, would it be just easier to, uh, rehome your child, your daughter?
Speaker 5:Yes, daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Would it to might be easier to rehome her right old. Is your daughter by the way, how old is your daughter?
Speaker 5:She's 15. About 16.
Speaker 2:Okay. Um, you know, 15 and 60 year old girls are going through all kinds of hormonal changes. You know, they're interested in boys and my experiences is that, um, you know, they don't want to take on a whole lot of responsibility.
Speaker 5:I've come to notice that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Not, not that this is a show about parenting children. Okay. But I believe the adults are the ones who need to take the responsibility for training. And once the dog is trained by you, then you can share those principles with your kids. You can supervise them as they are beginning to learn how to be handlers, not trainers. You're the trainer, the kids. Okay. Learn how to give commands and get the dog to respond under your supervision after you have trained the dog. Okay. After you've trained that,
Speaker 5:I love that. And I have my daughter listening. OK. So I've, I've tried that
Speaker 2:Approach.
Speaker 5:Yeah. She gets so upset with me. Yeah. And I tell her, cause I've had these dogs before. I know what it takes. She gets so upset with me. If I say something to him,
Speaker 2:Your daughter, your daughter's not gonna listen to you. I could say the same thing to your daughter that you're saying, she's gonna listen to me and not you, you know, it's just, it is what it is. It's the way their brains are. You know, they can't help it. You know, when they're teenagers, you know, they pretty much have what's equivalent to brain damage<laugh> um, But, but you know, they're growing, they're developing, but, but here's the thing, like I said, you need to be responsible for training the dog. Then your kids can be handlers, but things have to be consistent. Okay. And one of the things is, um, we've gotta go back to potty training 1 0 1. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Don't assume that the dog knows where to go, what to do and when it's doing something wrong, because if it truly did it, wouldn't be doing these things. It wouldn't do it. Okay. Exactly. Right now. Right now your dog thinks the house is a toilet. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm<affirmative> and one of the first things that you need to do is you need to clean up and find all of the accidents. You're gonna need a black light to do that. You're gonna have to turn the lights off. You're gonna have to go around and find where things light up and then you're gonna have to get a product. That's got some good enzymes in it that actually break down, uh, the smell, not just for you and I as a human, but break down the smell. Yes. Because you know, they're sense of smell is so much stronger than us.
Speaker 4:And if I, and if I recommend now, again, this is, this is the product that I personally like to use is called scope 10 X. That is S C O E one zero X. It's a fantastic product at breaking it down on that level. And then in addition to finding all of these spots where your dog went to the bathroom, I recommend that you go back and you go back and listen to our podcast. Most specifically, look for our podcast on P leadership. And then additionally, go ahead and email us at I N O pet talk today.com and just put in the subject line pack leadership. And we'll
Speaker 2:Potty training put in potty training, potty, potty
Speaker 4:Training, and pack leadership. And we'll send you some information
Speaker 2:On, we've got a, we've got a 45 minute podcast that is very specific just to potty training. Okay? If you follow the guidelines and anybody else that is looking for it, you can go to the pet talk today, podcast on any podcast hosting platform, whether that be Spotify, audible, Google podcast, apple podcast, um, Amazon look for pet talk today and look for season one, episode 16 season one, episode 16 is our potty training episode, but you will, uh, you gotta start with that. Now. The other thing is, um, your two year old is dropping food all over the place and the dog is cleaning it up like a vacuum cleaner in the beginning. You thought that was a wonderful thing because it, it helped you to have to not clean up. But now the dog has learned, Hey, this two year old is a massive source for really high value food items. So, um, the behavior's very functional to hang around your two year old. The behavior's very functional to snatch food because it's happened and that is self rewarding. Okay. So one of the first things that you need to do is make sure that when anybody has food, you are there available to watch your dog to make sure your dog does not get it now. Absolutely what you wanna do when your dog even looks at any people, food that it shouldn't have. You wanna just say your dog's name when your dog looks at you, give it a little tiny piece of chicken about, unless your dog's got a chicken allergy, we don't wanna do that, but little tiny pieces about the size of a pee of cooked chicken. If your dog doesn't have a chicken allergy, you know, your dog looks at who it wants to beg from what it wants to beg, call your dog's name, use a high pitch tone. And then, and then you'll be able to get your dog's focus and attention, reward the dog with food. Keep interrupting that. Okay. Give your dog an alternative. Give your dog something at wants, which is food. Okay. Give those things a shot. Try those things. Okay. Well ma'am um, if you need more in depth help with that, we do, uh, behavior consultations throughout the country, throughout the world. Um, you can always reach us@phoenixdogtraining.com as well. Hey, appreciate the call. We love our, we love our listeners from Alabama. We love the Southern hospitality. Hey, call us back, call us back. Would you and let us know how things are going in a week or two.
Speaker 5:I definitely would. Could you email by one more? Sure. It's got
Speaker 2:All very good. Hey, thanks for the call. Appreciate it. All right. You were gonna say something Jordan, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Oh, no. Um, I was, I was just saying turn down the, the, the line for the call. Oh, okay. Just
Speaker 2:A little bit volume was high.
Speaker 4:Yeah. The volume was a little high
Speaker 2:We'll we'll bring that down for the next
Speaker 4:Call. Yeah. Anyway, so it looks like we've had a lot of people calling in while
Speaker 2:We can only take one call at a time. So we apologize for that. We've got a line open now, right? Yeah.
Speaker 4:The line is
Speaker 2:Now open. The line's open now.
Speaker 4:Call
Speaker 2:6 0 2 5 2 5 6 8 8 0 again, 6 0 2 5 2 5 6 8 8 0. We can only take, look at that. There we go. And we've got a caller.
Speaker 4:Hello. Thanks for calling pet talk today. What's your name? Question location.
Speaker 2:Hello? Hello?
Speaker 5:Hello? Thanks. Oh,
Speaker 2:There we go. Hey, caller. Welcome. Can you tell us your name and where you're calling from?
Speaker 5:Yeah, so I'm Anita Joi. I'm calling from olive branch, Mississippi, and I'm calling Robert of my Jojo. Okay. She is an Australian shepherd and she's two and a half years old.
Speaker 2:Okay. What's going on with your dog?
Speaker 5:Yeah, so actually we adopted her, uh, from a shelter, uh, and she was a dog, so she is not at all socialized and now it's been like two and a half years. So he actually box at everyone apart from me. Uh, so it's really hard to socialize her. Uh, I tried with some of my friends, but that didn't work out. Yeah. And, uh, that's one of the reason, I guess if I go outta town or some, no one is willing to take her. She's very difficult to handle. And I was just looking to see if you guys can provide any guidance, you
Speaker 2:Know, I'm gonna let Jordan handle most of that. But I do have a question for you. How old was your dog when you first got your dog?
Speaker 5:Yeah, she was, uh, one, one year.
Speaker 2:One year. Okay. All
Speaker 4:Right. Yeah. So about a year old,
Speaker 5:I tried many, but didn't work out, you know,
Speaker 4:<laugh> and, and the, and she's about two and a half now, or you said it's been two and a half years that you've had her?
Speaker 5:No, no. She's two and a half now.
Speaker 4:Two and a half now. Okay. And when, how old was she when you noticed this fear towards strangers?
Speaker 5:Uh, so as soon as we got her, she was little bit resistant at that time, but then she got, uh, used to me and my husband, but that's it. And we both work from home. Okay. So we, uh, we barely have anyone coming our house. Uh, so it was hard for us to socialize. We tried with our friends, we tried our daycare. Yeah. But that didn't help us at all. Yeah. And now the problem, you know, now she's so fearful and she bark at everyone. She bark at her red, her lower pet. Mm-hmm,<affirmative> every everywhere at, at. So it's going hard, you know,
Speaker 4:At what point when somebody comes to the house, at what point does she start barking at them? Is it as soon as they come through the door, as soon as they pull up into the driveway, when, when does she start triggering?
Speaker 5:Yeah. So she start to trigger when she sees someone in the driveway or in the visible area, like, uh, she looks our door, like our front door. She see someone in front of our house. She'll start you also the, whoever we do have a ring to. So it rings whenever someone is near home and she'll just start barking, you know? Yeah. We, we, we tried calming medication. We tried to give her treat when she behaves, but when we are looking shell not do that. But when we're at work, she'll just go ahead and just start barking. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Ask, let, ask you this. When, when she is seen strangers, has she ever warmed up to a stranger?
Speaker 5:No, she has not. Okay. So she actually warmed up a little bit to her back, like, uh, the guy from a,
Speaker 4:How long did that take?
Speaker 5:Uh, it took almost like, uh, four or five days. We, we, we, we actually fired one on one for a couple of days. OK. Like just leaving her and then picking her up. And then we tried boarding overnight that worked for her, but she was so, uh, she was too difficult, you know, and it's really hard to get someone who, who will deal with a difficult dog, you know? So he was also like, he sure I loved hugs, but she's so difficult to handle. Sure.
Speaker 2:You had mentioned, you had mentioned that you had tried calming medication. Do you remember what that was?
Speaker 5:Yeah. So I do have that, uh, in front of,
Speaker 2:Was it a prescription or was it, um, supplement over the counter?
Speaker 5:Uh, it was a supplement over the counter. It's called just bike. Okay.
Speaker 2:It's
Speaker 5:Cause maybe
Speaker 2:Very familiar with just Paul. So couple things I'm gonna have Jordan go through some of the behavior modification, things that you can do to help this. But I also wanna say this, you need to find yourself a veterinary behaviorist. Yeah. Okay. And you need to make an appointment with a veterinary behaviorist and bring your dog in to see a veterinary behaviorist as well. Okay. That's really important. Yeah. All right. In addition to training, we need to rule out that there isn't any kind of medical contributing factors and, uh, we're not veterinarians Jordan and I, we're not experts. We can't give out expert medical advice, but, uh, the experts to go to are the veterinary behaviorist. Okay. And you can go to the American college of veterinary behaviorist online, do a Google search American college for veterinary behaviorist. And then you can do a search and find out which one is closest to you. Jordan, what can in the next couple minutes, can you tell her to help counter condition and desensitize
Speaker 4:This? So the first thing that I want you to do is I want you to, uh, find what is your dog's favorite high value food. Okay. So the way that you're gonna do that is go out and get yourself. We're talking like actual cooked chicken cooked beef things like maybe a, a small baggie of diced ham, but ham him, not so much because it's really high in sodium, get, you know, various fruits and vegetables that are safe for dogs, get different options. And then I want you to create piles of them, give your dog little pieces of each one from each pile, and then allow her to pick the one that she chooses is going to be her favorite. All right. And then try that a few times to make sure that that is actually her favorite and that's gonna be her highest value food. And now the only time that she will be given this food reward is when you're doing what I'm about to explain to you, which is called counter conditioning and desensitization. So I want you to start keeping your dog on a short drag line. It doesn't have to be a six foot leash. Doesn't have to be anything more than about three, two feet. Something that you're able to grab and hold on,
Speaker 2:Drag line could be a piece of rope, right? Exactly. Or a short
Speaker 4:Leash. Exactly. Yeah. And you can go on Amazon and just type in patrol leash or, or traffic leash, um, tab line, things like that will, will pull up some results
Speaker 2:Or you can go to home Depot and get three feet of rope.
Speaker 4:Exactly. Now, oh, you're gonna keep this on your dog. And whenever you know that there's going to be a person coming to your house whenever, you know, the first thing that you're going to do is stand as far away from your front door, as you possibly can, where you still have a direct line of sight of the front door. So it's super important that your dog still sees the front door. Then as soon as the trigger turns on, whether that is somebody walking into the driveway, somebody coming up to the door, somebody knocking, whatever the trigger is immediately you start feed, feed, feed, feed, feed, feed, feed, feed, feed, high value, food reward nonstop the entire time that the trigger is present. And then as soon as the trigger turns off, you stop feeding. Okay? And this is when you're just being reactive. Now to be proactive, you need to get yourself friends, family members, things like that, who are able to come over to your house and you are able to have them walk up the driveway. And the moment they get into the driveway, you start feeding and then have them walk away and stop feeding. Then they come back into the driveway and you start feeding and then they walk away and you stop feeding and you keep creating this pairing so that your dog goes from thinking, oh, somebody's in the driveway. This is scary. This is fearful. This is, this is a bad thing to, Ooh. I want somebody to come up the driveway. I want somebody to come to the door because it means really good food is being put in my mouth. Does that make sense? Yeah, that
Speaker 2:Makes sense. Now let me just say one other thing. When you're doing counterconditioning and desensitization, you've got to do, what's called keep your dog under threshold. Thank you for talking. Jordan was talking about distance. Okay. There is a distance that every dog has with a trigger where the distance is far enough that the dog knows that the triggers there, but they really don't have a care in the world. There is a distance. It might be a very large distance. Okay. It could be a short distance. You've gotta start this process at the distance away from the trigger. Your dog is far enough away from the trigger where your dog knows and sees the trigger, but doesn't have a care in the world. And again, the trigger, all of a sudden appears you feed feed, feed, feed, constantly and continuously. With this high value food reward for about three to five seconds, trigger goes away. As soon as a trigger goes away, feeding stops. Now, remember timing and sequence is important. Trigger appears. Then feeding trigger goes away, then stop feeding, okay. Keep your dog under threshold. Now, once you've been doing this a while, your dog, when it understands the game and loves this game will see the trigger. And then immediately look to you for food. When your dog is doing that consistently for several days or several training sessions and a training, session's gonna be about 15 minutes long, 5, 10, 15 minutes, max, you're gonna do this at least minimum three to five times a week. Okay? Now again, after your dog is loving this game for a few training sessions, looking up at you every time it sees the trigger, looking to you for that high value food reward, you probably now can inch a little bit closer, close that gap, that distance just a little bit between the trigger and your dog and start that process all over again. However, as you shrink that distance, as that distance gets shorter between your dog and the trigger, if your dog starts to show any, any kind of care or concern, when you're doing this, you have gone too close too soon. You can only work at the dog's pace. Does that make sense?
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. And Hey, Hey, this is, uh, when I was listening, uh, your, your advice and I really appreciate it as well. So yeah, we'll get working on this, right. And appreciate all the help you're providing. So
Speaker 2:Absolutely of course, do us a favor, smash that like button, share this share button, share it. Some more people can benefit from us and Hey, we absolutely. We mean this. We want you to call back. We want you to practice this for a week, two weeks, three weeks, practice this, give us feedback, call us back one Saturday during a show, let us know how things are going. Even if they're not going well, we'll help you. Okay. I
Speaker 5:Sounds good. No, thank you so much. We just one last quick question, just to follow up on the advice that, so you said that we need to buy a leash. So should we keep her on leash when we are feeding her the, uh, her favorite food or
Speaker 2:Yeah, you probably, as long as you can supervise your dog and your dogs in your eyesight, keep that leash on. Anytime you can't supervise the dog's not in your eyesight. Take the leash off. Keep that process going until this problem's resolved. Absolutely.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that sounds good. One last question. And I guess I would be good. So, uh, do you think like at this she's like two and half years old, uh, should we send her to we so many camps? There's so many training,
Speaker 2:Not the problem is occurring at your home and there's not a boot camp. That's long enough that you can afford that is gonna be able to help your dog. Plus your dog, going to boot camp is gonna be completely overwhelmed. It's gonna be flooded and there's gonna be massive amounts of anxiety. Chances are your dog could come back worse if you're gonna have training private lessons in home at your home with not just a dog trainer, but a behavior consultant, a certified behavior consultant,
Speaker 5:Unknown call.
Speaker 2:Anyway, try that. Give that a shot. We appreciate your call. Do we have another caller?
Speaker 4:Um, that was the same one. Unknown caller. There we go. There we go. Let's see.
Speaker 2:Are we taking a call or we
Speaker 4:That we are. Okay. Hey, thanks for calling, uh, pet talk today. State your name, question and location.
Speaker 5:Yeah, my name is Carla and I'm calling from Illinois.
Speaker 2:Hello, Carla. You're a NA, you're a neighbor. I'm originally from Wisconsin.
Speaker 5:Awesome. Not too far.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Where in Illinois are you
Speaker 5:Georgetown?
Speaker 2:Georgetown. Fantastic. So what's going on? What kind of question do you have for us? What kind of issues are you dealing with?
Speaker 5:Okay. We have a rescue that we adopted about six, seven weeks ago. OK. He's been, um, abused apparently, um, um, by a man because he loves me to death. He follows me everywhere, but when I leave and my husband's home, he and carries on and barks ands. Um, when we're both home, he's not, he's great. He follows me everywhere. He can take him out and walk him in the yard, but as long as I'm around, but he keeps watching me now. He has started some anxiety medicine from the, and it has somewhat, but he still has, and he's not trusting of my husband. So mm-hmm,<affirmative> the gift please.
Speaker 2:So quick question. What kind of medication did the vet put your dog on?
Speaker 5:He is on, it's sitting right here and I'll tell you, uh, she just gave me Trazodone that we only used one. Okay. But he's been basically doggie. Prozac. What
Speaker 4:Do you mean? Basically? Doggy. Prozac.
Speaker 2:Okay. So he is taking the fluoxetine as well on
Speaker 4:Prozac. Okay,
Speaker 2:Perfect. Right. Okay. So how long has your dog been on the Prozac?
Speaker 5:Um, three and a half weeks maybe.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay. Have you noticed any change
Speaker 5:Somewhat? Yes. He was stilling a lot and that's why she gave us the other one to supplement when we thought he needed it.
Speaker 2:Okay. So, you know, one of the things you
Speaker 5:Also will pee and poop when I leave.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Elimination disorders and, and the Prozac helps with that, that as well. And there's obviously there's separation anxiety going on there.
Speaker 5:Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, first of all, um, it's gonna take a little while. I know they normally say four weeks, but it really takes six to eight weeks before, uh, Prozac flu tine builds up to the appropriate levels. Now let me say this. I am not a veterinarian. Yeah. I am not giving out medical advice. I am not an expert in veterinary medicine. Okay. Okay. I do have many semesters of formal education in pharmacology and I have a lot of continuing education in psycho-pharmacology. Um, my undergraduate, uh, degree, I did a minor in, uh, neurochemistry, you know,
Speaker 4:I feel like this was, this wasn't even intentional. Isn't that a book on psycho-pharmacology right
Speaker 2:Next it's actually successful. Psycho-pharmacology evidence based treatment solutions for achieving remission. Um, so, you know, I know a lot about these medications and regular veterinarians may or may not know that much about it, but you gotta go to them. Okay. To get, to get a, a prescription for the medication. Right. Um, you know, after your dog's been on this for maybe six to eight weeks, you might wanna evaluate, um, the effectiveness of the medication. You know, sometimes the vets need to adjust the dosages. Okay. It's, you know, playing around the dosages sometimes. So, you know, there might be something more that can be done with medication. However, medications never the cure. It is something that you should always use as an adjunct to behavior modification. Yeah. So I'm gonna let Jordan talk about that part.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Absolutely. So when you, when you have, when you have dogs that are, you know, displaying these symptoms of separation anxiety, as well as, um, correct me if I'm wrong, you said that was also fearful of your husband.
Speaker 5:Right? Okay.
Speaker 2:And elimination and
Speaker 4:Yeah. And we have elimination disorder,
Speaker 5:So, and that part is getting somewhat better.
Speaker 4:So talk to
Speaker 5:Me. So we keep a pee
Speaker 4:Talk to me about what happens when you're gone,
Speaker 5:When I'm gone. And Alan is still here. Hesling, he's barking back from front window to back window back and forth. Now I will say in the last, um, week and a half, two weeks, that has calmed some he'll bark some and Hal a little bit, but then he quiets down. Yeah. So that has improved.
Speaker 4:Okay. So a few things, a few things that I, that I want you to do. Um, if you were listening to our, during our last caller, um, when we were talking about counterconditioning and desensitization, I want you to take those exact same principles of where we were talking about counterconditioning and desensitization, but apply it to your husband as if your husband was a trigger. Okay. So as soon as your husband comes into sight, feed, feed, feed, feed, feed, feed, feed, have him walk away, stop feeding.
Speaker 2:Now you're feeding, not your husband. Exactly. You are doing the feeding.
Speaker 4:Exactly. Okay. So I want you to apply exact same principles there, but next let's talk about,
Speaker 2:Wait, can I interrupt you? Yeah. If, when you're doing this, your dog has concern about your husband. You're too close. You need to create more distance. Because again, we can't be feeding the dogs, counter conditioning. If they're emotional state even has a little bit of concern. Now, some other trainers may argue that, um, I'm a firm believer that whatever we're conditioning, what the emotional state is, that's, what's being conditioned. Absolutely. And I do not wanna condition a state of anxiety. So again, create enough distance between your husband, Alan, believe that you said and the dog. Right? Okay. So that your dog doesn't have a care in the world and apply those principles. And little by little, I mean, very gradually, slowly, systematically, you can get a little closer, a little closer, little closer.
Speaker 5:So what we've been doing when he walks him out in the yard, you know, like I said, I'm usually there and he walks him on the leash. We always have hot dogs in our pocket. Yeah. So when he's saying he gets a hot dog and he'll take it from him. Yeah.
Speaker 4:And, and so here's the thing, that's the thing. So if your dog is fearful of your husband, him being on leash is very likely over threshold. That is him being that close to him and being attached to him and effectively removing flight as even an option that is probably over threshold. The way that what we're saying to do is your husband would be on the opposite side of the room so far away from your dog, that he wouldn't even care about your husband's presence. And that's where you're
Speaker 2:Starting. And when we're not doing, uh, formal training, when we're not doing formal training, we're doing everything in our power to arrange the environment so that your husband stays far enough away from the dog, that the dog doesn't experience anxiety, cuz one of the problems. And I realize this is a challenge. When we get these rescue dogs and we have these issues, they can be very challenging. Absolutely. Right. If they continue to rehearse this behavior, if they continue to be in this emotional state, around Alan, it's gonna be really hard to really make good progress. Right. And so one of the challenges is keeping the dog below threshold, keeping the dog far enough away from the thing it's afraid of, where the dog doesn't have a cure in the world and see this sometimes can be, like I said, very challenging. That's why I often say sometimes it's just easier to rehome the husband or re-home the kids
Speaker 4:<laugh> right. Right. Absolutely.
Speaker 5:Now, well, let ask you this. When I go to work and he's home with him now, the dog will occasionally walk up that kinda thing. Uhhuh<affirmative>. And when he comes in, he always comes and texts him out. Should he just ignore him or
Speaker 2:Yes. What? Yes. Ignore him. And don't come into the dog's space because the dog's gonna view that as
Speaker 4:Threatening. Now here's the thing though. But if the dog comes into his space willingly, yes. Then what I want you to do, your husband needs to make sure that in that instance, reward that behavior, however, became a high value.
Speaker 2:However, what I would tell your, what I would tell your husband to do would be to just drop the food on the floor. Yeah. Don't reach its don't reach his hand towards the dog because your dog might find that threatening. But again, as Jordan said, and I'm glad he said this, if your dog approaches, Alan, Alan should have high value food rewards on him at all times. And then as the dog approaches, just drop a few treats. Exactly. But still ignore the dog. Exactly. You know, just don't have any emotion, don't make movements. You know, again, we've got to make Alan, you know, as least threatening as possible. Not that he's a, not that he's a real threat. Exactly. But your dog views him as a threat.
Speaker 4:Exactly. And then additionally, what I want you to do is I want you to start working on teaching your dog a nice place command. Okay. Um, if you're not certain how to do that, if you, if you look on YouTube and can't really find anything, you can also email us and just put in the heading, I'm
Speaker 2:Gonna start sending training emails to you. Since you tell everybody the email and I'm sitting here, you know, for a weekend, emailing people,<laugh>
Speaker 4:Email us that info pet talk today.com and just put in the subject place training. And we can send you,
Speaker 2:Send you videos on that as well.
Speaker 5:He really doesn't play. I just recently at the, got a little thing that it's like a toy, but you fill it with like squeeze teeth. Yeah, sure. So we're, we're working on that and he does keep the teeth outta it, but he really didn't play with it. Right. Let mentions.
Speaker 2:And lemme mention this to you. If you're doing two months worth of very intense counterconditioning and desensitization and you're making very little progress, um, you probably then need to go see a veterinary behaviorist because maybe there needs to be a change in the medication. Exactly. Um, some of the things that you're telling me about your dog, um, and again, I'm not a veterinarian, I'm not giving out medical advice. Um, Prozac would not have been my choice right. With my formal training in psycho-pharmacology. I
Speaker 4:Agree
Speaker 2:That would not have been my choice. Okay.
Speaker 4:Now, um, once you've, once you've taught your dog place, I want you to start using that very often about an hour a day, put your dog on place, just start teaching your dog to relax and lay there and just be calm. Start teaching your dog. That being calm and relaxed and staying on this cot is valuable. That being in a calm state, because based on what I'm hearing, I do believe that we're probably looking at no epinephrine as a contributing factor here. And again, I'm not a veterinarian. I'm not giving out medical advice. I'm just telling you what I know from my experience and my knowledge. And
Speaker 2:We've got education. We also have a dopamine issue. Yeah. The dog is withdrawn. Yeah. And the dog, you know, has that fear. Yeah. And you mentioned the fact that dog doesn't really play. Okay. So that, yeah. When you understand the neurotransmitters in the brain, we start taking a look at these behaviors and we start saying, okay, what neurotransmitters yeah. Are being affected. Exactly. And serotonin dopamine, eh, you mentioned no epinephrine. Depends. You know, if the dog's really explosive. Yeah. Um, then, then maybe we're dealing with a little bit of that.
Speaker 5:Okay. Well, most of the time, like right now the dog is out on the, and out he could be when he's not outside. That that's what he does. The Coucher is sit
Speaker 4:Well when he's doing that, when he's being relaxed, being calm and just being happy, reward that
Speaker 2:Behavior. The other thing for that behavior, the other thing, the first three to four weeks on Prozac, it's not uncommon for dogs to have some lethargy. Yeah. And as they are on the medication longer, if they did experience some lethargy that will dissipate some yeah. Sometimes they are left with a little bit of lethargy.
Speaker 4:Exactly.
Speaker 2:But yeah.
Speaker 4:I want you to try those things and then, uh, give us a call back, let us know how things are going. Please keep us updated. All
Speaker 2:Right. And please. All
Speaker 5:Right. Thank you.
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Speaker 4:And I'm Jordan Martella
Speaker 2:And you are watching and listening to pet talk today. We're here each and every Saturday morning where we take questions, we answer your pet behavior and training issues. If you've got a question about your pet's behavior, you can give us a call. That number is 6 0 2 5 2 5 6 8 8 0. Again, it's 6 0 2 5 2 5 6 8 8 0.
Speaker 4:All right. Thanks for calling. You're listening to pet talk today. What's your name?
Speaker 5:My name's Kimberly.
Speaker 4:Hello? Kimberly. Where are
Speaker 2:You calling from? Yeah. Where are you calling from?
Speaker 5:I'm calling from Maryland,
Speaker 4:Maryland. All right. All right, Maryland. So what's your question. How can we help you? I know that you've been calling in for a while.
Speaker 5:Yes I have. So I have a couple questions. One was, uh, what you just, you guys were just talking about. Um, my dog, whenever we go out for walks, he goes, um, I think he's scared of other people and dogs when they barking. And so understanding that part, the doing it, doing an outside.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it sure is. You gotta make sure you're at a good enough distance that your dog is below threshold so that he has not a care in the world about the trigger. And that's where you're gonna start.
Speaker 2:I always say there's two thresholds. One threshold is where the dog displays the outward behavior. Right? That's easy to see absolutely where the dog's over threshold, but the one that's more difficult is to assess the internal, emotional state absolutely. Of the animal. And my contention is this. If they've got even the slightest care in the world, you're working too close to
Speaker 4:Absolutely
Speaker 2:Too soon.
Speaker 4:So what's your other question?
Speaker 5:My other question is he's a one year old labradoodle. Okay. Um, smaller Oodle, whenever he plays with other dogs, he tackles them and you know, some dogs don't care, but I'm afraid he's to that's.
Speaker 4:So, so a few things here, um, with, with a dog like this, that is, you know, that has inappropriate, uh, playing behaviors. The first thing that you need to do is I want you to allow him to play with other dogs, but in such a it's it's, it's controlled have your dog on leash, right? And the moment that he starts getting rough and he starts ha pun intended the moment that he starts playing rough and he starts getting too animated, too excited to energetic for these other
Speaker 2:Dogs, get his attention, you
Speaker 4:Get his attention and you turn him around reset.'em immediately. As soon as that happens, just a quick little, like a little five foot circle, just reset.'em
Speaker 2:One of the things I would recommend as you're playing with, um, other dogs would be before your dog gets excited. And again, as Jordan said, have them have'em on leash. And I prefer a long leash. Yeah. Um, I would start doing recall exercises, absolutely. With the highest value food rewards possible. Now, if your dog won't come back to you and called, you need to create more distance between you and the other dogs, but Hey, anytime your dog's playing with other dogs, you should know, you should want to have a recall. That's strong enough that you can get the dog away. Absolutely. You have to first start working that recall where there are no distractions, rewarding with high value food rewards. Then you start with very small distractions at a distance and little by little, you get closer to the distractions, little by little, the distractions. Uh, get more intense. Exactly. If at any point during that training, your dog just can't do it again. You've gone too close too soon. Uh, the dog is over
Speaker 4:Threshold. Yeah. And then make sure, make sure that you build a good marker with your dog. Like I, I recommend a clicker personally. And when your dog is playing with these other dogs and is not being excited, not being overly energetic, not being overly rough. And he is acting the way that you want him to, when he's doing the desired behavior click and then give him a treat.
Speaker 2:We tend to always look at the behavior we don't want. And we don't think about what would I have the dog do instead. Right. What behavior would I prefer? And you know, a lot of people say, well, I just want my dog to be calm. Are you reinforcing that when your, your dog is calm? You're
Speaker 4:So good at telling people or telling no, no, no, no wrong bad. Yeah. But we forget to say yes
Speaker 2:And Hey, that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 4:Fantastic.
Speaker 2:Super dog.
Speaker 4:Does that make sense, Kim? Uh, Kimberly.
Speaker 5:Yeah. Yeah, it does. I have to learn, um, how to use the clicker. Um, having looked into that. Yeah. That it does make sense.
Speaker 2:You know, you can get online, you can go to do a Google search for Karen Pryor. Who's probably the, the biggest name in clicker training. Absolutely. The most well known clicker training you can get, um, go on, uh, YouTube. You can watch some videos on clicker training. Um, clicker is a marker. Yeah. It's powerful. We don't have time to get into it in show. That could be an entire show. Absolutely it be. But yeah. Give that a, give that a shot. Try those things. The other last thing I wanna say is, um, even the most stable dogs, there's gonna be roughly between 10 and 20% of other dogs that they're not gonna like yeah. That they're not gonna like, you know, I don't like everybody I meet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:And neither does my dog and you know what? That's okay. My dog does not have to be around every dog that's out there. Matter of fact, I'm very picky. I'm very picky. Yeah. I have just a few dogs with a few friends. I know my friends, I know their dogs really well. I know they're really stable and I know their energy and that's who I have my dogs around if I have my dogs around. Right. Absolutely. Um, you know, I'm the center of my dog's universe.<laugh> my dogs don't ask for anything but me<laugh> they don't ask to go to the dog park. They've never asked me to go to doggie daycare. Um, hell they don't even ask me to go for a walk. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Okay. Um, and how about when, you know, sometimes my husband is playing in the, and they're running around. He thinks, you know, he needs to too, and he bites their for ankle, but plain.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 5:Um,
Speaker 2:Don't I don't, I don't let my dogs have excitable play in the house. Yeah,
Speaker 4:Absolutely not.
Speaker 2:And I only let that happen outside. And if my dog were biting at my ankles, my legs, I would start by going yep. Make a high pitch. Yep. Sound. Um, that'll surprise them. That's what happened when they were in the litter with other puppies where they were learning bite inhibition, um, and that could potentially work. The other thing is, um, giving your dog something else, more fun to do, throwing a ball around playing toys, Absolut. Absolutely. That's things that were, and then ask yourself, Hey, when the dogs biting at the ankles, the pants and stuff are, is your husband running around right. Sometimes movements gonna create that.
Speaker 4:That's what she was saying. She's saying, uh, that, that her husband is, is doing the running and playing with them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think what you need to do is when you, when you, uh, go ahead and look up some place training videos, and then just apply those principles on your husband, teach him to place and stay, you know, so that he's not running around and bothering the dogs. I think, I think that's the solution there
Speaker 5:<laugh><laugh>
Speaker 2:He can find his own running partner. Yeah.
Speaker 4:All Kimberly, thanks for calling in. Thank you. Thank you. Let us know how it works.
Speaker 2:All right. Let's see. We've got, we've got about 10, 11, 12 minutes left. I
Speaker 4:Think, I think at this point, what we should do is close the phone line and I, I have plenty of
Speaker 2:Questions. We're gonna close the phone line. We've had lots of calls. Hey, thank you for calling in. These were fantastic questions. We're gonna go ahead and start answering questions that many of you have typed into the comment section, but do us a favor hit that smash button hit that like button, um, also share this on your Facebook page so that other people can benefit from this great information. Absolutely. What kind of questions do we have?
Speaker 4:All right. So we have a question from Francis and Francis has a three year old pug and for the most part she's good. But when we go for walks, she wants to attack every big dog she sees. What can I do for her to stop these well Francis? The first thing I'm going to say is what I say, whenever we have any type of problem, like this is get yourself a behavior consultant to really di dig deeper into that and make sure that this isn't something that needs to be recommended to a veterinary behaviorist, or at least a veterinarian for the potential addition of medications or anything like that. That might be medically related to why your dog is behaving this way. Now, outside of that, like we've been talking with a lot of people with two of our collars,
Speaker 2:Actually, you're gonna find we've got a common theme from a lot of these problems. It's a counter conditioning and desensitation exercise. I shouldn't say exercise exercises over and over and over and over. This is not a quick fix. Absolutely. There is no such thing as a quick fix when we're talking about really impacting a dog's emotional state.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Okay. And so now the first step you gotta teach your dog how to walk loosely on leash. What that means is with no distractions. So you go outside to practice loose leash walking, and next thing you know, somebody comes out with their dog. You get inside immediately, you stop that training session and you go back inside, you've gotta start by teaching your dog how to do it without anything present to distract
Speaker 2:You. Yeah. Because if your dog can't pay attention to you, when there's no distractions, it's certainly not gonna happen when it sees another dog or there's no
Speaker 4:Distraction. Absolutely. And so that's where you're gonna start. Once you have a dog that can walk loosely on the leash, that's when you're going to start applying the principles of counterconditioning and desensitization, and you have to start at a big distance, some dogs that may be 50 feet, some dogs that may be 20, some dogs that may be 200 feet, some dogs that may be further than that. Some dogs you have to start with a stuffed dog instead of a real dog. You know, there's, there's lots of things that you have to look at to get your dog to the point that they don't have a care in the world when they see these other dogs. And that's where you start the counter conditioning. Um, let's see, we've got another question. How to potty train my eight week old Yorky poo.
Speaker 2:All right, listen, we're gonna, because I wanna get to more questions. Mm-hmm<affirmative> um, I'm gonna tell you direct you to go straight to our 45 minute podcast on potty training. It is in depth, even the most difficult dog to potty train. You can have success with. If you follow those guidelines, go to the pet talk today. Podcast, just do a Google search pet talk today with will Bangura podcast will come up. You're gonna look for season one, episode 16, season one, episode 16. How to potty train your dog. Absolutely.
Speaker 4:All
Speaker 2:Right. Next. Absolutely. And what else do we have?
Speaker 4:All right, so we've got, um, yeah, it looks like people are saying that they have the same issue with fear of people, but on walks, same thing. It's just first step, teach your dog how to walk on leash once your dog,
Speaker 2:And you can start that leash in the house. Exactly. Okay. And Hey, I watched Libby do something with a ladle, which I thought thought was fantastic. She had a ladle with food. Yeah. And had that down on her left side and, and the dog was following her, taking food out of that ladle. Great way to start, uh, helping your dog to learn how to follow you and make it a positive experience.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So, um, it looks like Kelly says that her daughter moved in with her Yorkie. He hates the lab that already lived in the home. The lab ignores him until he keeps biting his hip embarking. How do we go about solving this? So first things first, um, I would provide, I would start teaching both dogs, how to place the reason why is I want to build place as a safe space for the lab. I want to start teaching this lab that this space, this place co is a safe area that nothing's going to bother him. But then we have to teach the Yorky do not go on that place. Co leave that place, cot alone. All right. Every time that you catch the Yorky even thinking about stepping on that cot that belongs to the lab. You redirect put him somewhere else reward. Okay. Now we're gonna start teaching the Yorky how to go to place. And you're gonna have to teach him how to do that from a distance as well. Then you start teaching him to get onto that place, cut with minimal distractions and then heavier distractions than heavier distractions. And then you add in the lab and we start teaching the Yorky. Whenever he's messing with the lab, we recall the Yorky away from that lab. Send to the place. Cut, give lots and lots of food reward. All right. As soon as they get to that place, cut, we're gonna start teaching the Yorky through differential reinforcement to do a different task.
Speaker 2:Okay. And getting on place and staying on place would be incompatible with harassing your lab. See how we ask ourselves not only what do we want the dog not to do? What do we want the dog to do instead? Hang out. Exactly. Be calm, be cool. Stay somewhere. Don't worry about what's going on. But listen, when you're training your dog, you've gotta be more exciting. You've gotta create more happiness with this event of training than anything that your Yorky thinks is fun with the, with the lab. Otherwise, you know, the lab's more interesting, more fun. Yeah. The Yorkie's gonna go to the
Speaker 4:Lab. Absolutely. Absolutely. We have a question. Uh, how do I stop my puppy from biting me instead of his toys? Well, the first things that I want you to do, how
Speaker 2:Old is the puppy? We don't know. Right? If, if your puppy's not over seven months of age, it's gonna be chewing on everything, biting on everything. It can, it'ss teeth are hurting it's and your job,
Speaker 4:Your job is to watch this puppy. And every single time that you catch the dog biting or chewing on something that it's not supposed to give it something it's supposed to, it's supposed to and allow
Speaker 2:Interrupt, get its attention. Okay. Um,
Speaker 4:Every single time
Speaker 2:And start teaching a drop command. Absolutely. You wanna go through that briefly because other people, Hey, I know a bunch of you need your dog to learn how to drop it. Absolutely not just one. Well, a bunch of you. So listen up. So
Speaker 4:For drop it, this is really, really simple. Uh, you're going to find your dog's favorite high value food reward. Like we discussed earlier in this video. Um, and once you have that nice high value food reward, you're going to pick a word for drop. I like the word drop it, go figure, right? That's the cue that I use. You're going to say, drop it. Then reach into your treat pouch, grab three or four pieces of food and just drop it on the ground. Your goal is for your dog to not see you reach into your pouch, but if they do that's okay, so again, you say drop grab three or four pieces, throw it on the ground. As soon as they finish eating those three or four pieces, you immediately say, drop it and reach into the pouch, grab three or more, three or four more pieces, throw it on the ground. And then again, you repeat this process. As soon as they finish that last piece, you're gonna say, drop it and throw more food on the ground. Repeat this approximately 30 times in a row, once or twice a day for about two or three days. And then you're gonna do it about three ish to five times per week for about two weeks. And then after that, that will be the very first time that you actually apply it to a real life situation. So now your dog has something in its mouth that it is allowed to have. Okay. This is very important. It has to be something that your dog is allowed to have. Then when they have that in their mouth, you're going to say drop it and guess what? They have to spit out that item in order to get the food that you're about to throw on the ground. And you're gonna throw three or four pieces of food on the ground. Now here's the most important part. As soon as they finish that food, you let them go back and take that item back and you're gonna do that. And you're gonna practice that with items that they're allowed to have, where you say drop it, they spit out the item. Food is on the ground, and then they get to go back to the item because now they don't think, oh my gosh, they say drop it. And they're gonna take away this item from me. And then they have to make a decision. Is the reward worth losing this item? If they don't even have to think about that, they're gonna spit out that item without thinking. And then when they have something in their mouth that they're not supposed to have you say, drop it and guess what they're gonna do. They're just gonna spit it out because they're ready for that food to hit the ground. And now you're able to take that item. All right? But it's so important that you're teaching them that after drop it, they get, they get items back. We want them to think that they're not gonna lose the item every single time they hear the word drop it.
Speaker 2:The other thing I know, many of you are doing this. Inadvertently, your dog gets something in its mouth that you don't want it to have. And you tell the dog to come to you. You know, BBO come BBO come. And then you take that object away from the dog. And the dog starts learning that man. Every time my pet parent asks me to come and I do come bad things happen. I lose something. I really like. Absolutely. And what's gonna happen before long is your dog's gonna associate, Hey, cool. Things don't happen when I come, therefore I'm not coming. Yeah. And that's called poisoning the queue.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. It
Speaker 2:Is be sure that you don't do that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely. We've
Speaker 2:Got about four minutes.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. All right. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Ah, okay. That's a, Cindy is Cindy. That is, that is a very, that's a to answer your question lightly. This is, this is something that you need to get in contact with a behavior consultant. I just want to address that you need to contact a behavior consultant. Cindy. Um, Robin wants to know,
Speaker 2:Well, let's let her know where she can do that. So if you go to CP P dt.org, that's Charlie, Charlie, Paul dog, tango.org. And do a search for behavior consultant. Absolutely not a trainer.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Now Robin says, how do I teach my dog to sit and stay on command? He's a three month old me pit bull, Merle pit bull. Okay. So
Speaker 2:Robin, since we've got like three minutes, yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna be
Speaker 2:Capturing really? Let's just talk about capturing.
Speaker 4:Yeah. All right. So basically what you're going to do is every time that your dog sits capture that behavior, build a marker word into your dog. And every time that their butt hits the
Speaker 2:Ground on their own, on their own, they offer that behavior. I know that your dog sits many, many times. I'll bet you, if you had a treat in your hand and you backed up four steps, your dog would move towards you and sit. Absolutely. And I'll bet if you backed up three or four more steps, your dog would get to you and your dog would sit. If you had a treat in your hand and guess what? Every time your dog's rearing goes down, you can do what Jordan, you
Speaker 4:Can label that behavior. Sit. Yeah. And then mark and reward with a high value treat. If you do this every single time that your dog's butt hits the ground, he or she will start to learn that there's value in putting their butt on the ground.
Speaker 2:Now, when they, a
Speaker 4:Lot of
Speaker 2:People, they just wanna do this and they don't wanna give food folks. You better have a good paycheck for your dog. Yeah. Or if you expect them to work. Yeah. All right. And if you don't get that, do me a favor. Keep going to your job without a paycheck. Tell me how long that is going to last. Exactly. Where's your motivation. Exactly.
Speaker 4:Exactly.
Speaker 2:We've got two minutes.
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Speaker 2:Today. Absolutely. Hey, wanna thank everybody who joined us today. Thank you for calling in with your great questions. Thank I thank everybody that typed in a question. I know we couldn't get to everybody's question, but you know what? Keep coming back. Keep watching the show. Keep coming back to pit talk today. Like I said, we are here each and every Saturday from, uh, nine to 10:00 AM. Pacific time also mountain standard time, uh, 12 to 1:00 PM Eastern time, 11 to 12 central time. Um, next week we are not gonna have pet talk today. Next week, Jordan and myself, we're gonna be in black mountain, North Carolina. That's right. Uh, dealing with, uh, the aggression conference there. Well, that means we are out of time. Officially. You've been listening to pet talk today. I'm will Bangor and
Speaker 4:I'm Jordan Mar stellar.
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